Darin, a fellow American commenter and frequent ally at
the staunchly conservative New Zealand
blog, Crusader Rabbit, has registered some objections to our campaign to
generate more anti-Obama votes in swing (purple) states. If I recall correctly, Darin lives in a very Red state.
Jesus weptIs it really wise to presume for Him? Could you be like that woman on the roof in flood waters who refused all help on the grounds that “God will provide.” Then after drowning, St. Peter wants to know why she didn’t heed the rescuers He sent.
Does no one remember H. Ross Perot? The (faux) third party rift candidate who split the vote and got us Bill Clinton for president???? That one should be remembered as the great quantum leap down the progressive road to serfdom. I have family members I STILL have not forgiven for voting for that clown and being so dense as to do so.This vote swapping idea is not an endorsement of any third party candidate. Wishing 3rd parties away is akin to those who so fear guns that they wish they didn’t exist. It’s a recognition that there are 1) third party candidates who will attract some votes and thereby reduce the numbers for Romney; 2) Conservative voters who will not turn out to vote for anyone because they believe that their vote for Romney will be useless. This plan provides a way to redirect non-nihilistic third party voters to vote for Romney in swing states. And to reinvigorate conservatives frustrated by Blue State realities, and give them a new reason to go out and vote while providing the third party candidates in the swing states a less dangerous way to register their objections about the GOP.
There are several “Blue” states that aren’t so blue they cannot be turned and California is one of them. They could be turned IF conservatives and moderates had not written them off in surrender.Even Romney isn’t trying. People like you who live in Red states cannot believe how bad it is in this blue state. We are undermined by every institution including the state GOP. I do not have time to convince Red-staters of this fact; there are still too many Californian’s who refuse to hear even some of the evidence, and there’s a mountain of it. This plan gives blue state conservatives a chance to help turn purple states red. It provides them a moral reawakening. It turns a case of hopelessness into usefulness.
Equally damaging some (faux) conservatives and moderates are also now talking of surrender in several of the purple states. What the hell???I know and equally detest the faux conservatives of whom you speak. They are people who aim to demoralize conservatives at every turn. This is not in any way that. It is just the opposite of giving up. It’s finding a new way to make use of what the founding fathers gave us to help save ourselves. The total votes don’t matter – ask President Gore. It is the Electoral College tallies that matter. Those who do not know this have been mis-educated.
We do not need nor want a third party period and there are many reasons why having one is a bad idea. I won’t go into them right now, but anyone who understands American politics and has half a brain should be able to figure it out. Look at what we become if we have more that two parties, do we want to look like the UK or Europe? Why would a governing political system that encourages and supports triangulation be better than what we have now? No, I completely reject a third party as anything more than a delusional fantasy.You are repeating, I will try not to. This plan recognizes that third parties exist and why. It offers a rational and honest third party voter a realistic alternative. He can vote for the slow road to servitude and not feel he’s giving up his principles. A principled conservative like you ought to appreciate that. We are not turning America into a parliamentary system. This would never do that, and cannot anyway. There’s no provision for power sharing.
We do not need a third party if we on the right take back control of the Republican Party. This is actually happening as we speak and has been all summer. This talk of a third party vote rallying around a nobody like Gary Johnson is akin to calling for surrender in the middle of a pitched battle that we are winning. If you don’t believe me that it is happening then examine who Romeny picked for VP and why as opposed to who the party elites had in mind.I certainly hope you are right. But we also thought we had control of the House of Representatives when Boehner became speaker. How’s that working out? Not! But we were also buoyed up when McCain chose Palin. Didn’t prove a thing did it? Nor did it help as long as McCain was aiming to lose. Even if Romney is aiming to lose, we can’t afford to let him do so. We are taking Gary Johnson votes out of states where the Electoral Votes are winnable by Romney and transferring them to states where Romney isn’t even trying. Our goal is to get the Electoral College Tally to favor Romney and disfavor Obama. That’s what counts, not what “Contempt” foolishly called for.
Romney is not my ideal candidate, but any talk of him being anywhere near as bad as Obama is just plain lunacy. If Obama gets back in, even if the Senate goes back to Republican control we are doomed, people have no idea just how bad things will get under a second Obama term. If you don’t like what he has done so far, well let me tell you it’s just the tip of the iceberg.I did not talk of him as being as bad as Obama, that’s why I want him to win. I agree with your other points in this paragraph. We are doomed if we don’t eject Obama, that’s why I came up with a new way to rack up more Electoral College votes – the only votes that matter.
So, conservatives and libertarians, if you want to vote for Gary Johnson, or write in your dog’s name, or just sit out, then go right ahead. If you do however you are lighting the funeral fire for a once great nation and don’t come crying to me when you get burnt.
Again, this is just the opposite of sitting it out. It will
give conservatives in blue states a new reason to live. It will give other
party candidates a way to register their dissatisfaction while increasing
Romney’s margins, turning the purple state red.
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Pascal,yes I do live in a Red state,but even it is not that Red politically.This past year was the first time since Reconstruction that we elected a Republican majority even though we have had a long list of Republican Governors and Senators.
ReplyDeleteIn trying to reform the Republican party in my state myself and many thousands of others had to learn the internal workings of the state Republican party and it's elected officers functions.
The existing members had been there nearly 25 years and pretty much rubber stamped everything handed down by the RNC.Complacency exemplified.
After Herman Cain,nor Ron Paul,nor Newt Gingrich could get any support with national even though all three polled higher than Mittens it was decided amongst the Teaparty and various other off shoots that a change was needed.Once we learned the process we simply turned out to the state RNC chair elections in mass and voted for Teaparty/conservative replacements,all of whom won by landslides.The RNC leadership was completely shocked by the Coup so much so that two establishment Repub state senators did instant about faces on quite a few topics.The New TeaRNC has control of both the funding and delegate process so now the selection process will be left to the will of the voting public and boy do we have some firebrands coming up.
The point of all this is,the same sort of change IS possible even in Cali.If you are interested in how to,then contact me via E-mail.KG has my addy if your interested.
Darin
Yes, I am interested in how to do it. My email address is near the top of my right sidebar.
ReplyDeleteCalifornia was undermined decades ago, but was spectacularly destroyed beginning in 2002 when our candidate for governor was starved for cash by Karl Rove, who had wanted Dick Riordan to be the candidate, but conservatives won out in our primary. In order to get the funds, the candidate, Bill Simon Jr, was forced 1) to fire his winning primary team and 2) take on Ed Rollins to manage his campaign. If that name sounds familiar, it ought to. He's associated with the national GOP. They send him in to conservative campaigns if that campaign wants cash from national. He's been poison for over 20 years. I tried to warn Michelle Bachmann, but she didn't listen. Do a search on this blog (box on upper left) for Ed Rollins and you'll see it.
And if Rollins were not bad enough, Rove gave the cash to disperse to Jerry Parsky -- a man who harbored a grudge against Bill Simon Senior (the Nixon cabinet member and energy czar).
And then in the recall election in 2003, Rove arranged to steal the recall from us conservatives when he had Pete Wilson back Schwarzenegger -- and you know what that did to us for the next 7 years. We still have not recovered.
If you know of a way to help us neutralize the moles currently in the Cal GOP, and the next Trojan horses probably sent to us should Romney win, please advise. Neutralizing those anti-conservative traitors is the only way the Cal GOP has a chance to accomplish what you have.
We don't need a conservative third party candidate, we need a leftist third party candidate like Ralph Nader or John Anderson to siphon off some commie votes.
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DeleteCome visit me in Downtown. I'll show you where the fraudulent vote packing began. What Sec of State Bill Jones ignored for 8 years. What the L.A. county GOP wouldn't protest "because we'd be called racist." It's gonna take a whole lot more than pushing Nader or the Greens to win this state that the GOP gifted the Dems. I bet you're gonna love it when the state legislature is greater than 2/3 Dem come next January. Good-bye prop 13 and the Gann initiative and just about everything that the Democrazies hate.