tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8851395.post1153859186255026757..comments2023-09-09T11:56:04.929-07:00Comments on Pascal Fervor: Dennis Prager = Rodney KingPascalhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00303025432356543062noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8851395.post-91752528789820996652010-07-14T17:21:19.925-07:002010-07-14T17:21:19.925-07:00"I agree with you that Eve received her relig..."I agree with you that Eve received her religious instruction from Adam, but it makes sense to me that the additional tradition was added by Adam, not Eve, since she was in the role of a learner, not a teacher. "<br /><br />So, you have a time machine in which you can travel back in time and know what Adam did, or you just think the only way this could have happened was if Adam was an inadequate teacher or uneccesarily embellished? <br /><br />"It makes sense to me."<br /><br />if it makes sense to me that Hagar deliberately prevented Sarah from conceiving so Hagar could bear Abrahams firstborn, does that make it true? <br /><br />Just because something "Makes sense to you" doesn't mean you can rewrite scripture in your image.oghttp://www.neanderpundit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8851395.post-81494844035667862142010-07-14T09:45:49.365-07:002010-07-14T09:45:49.365-07:00Og's point I think is that Paul was chosen bec...<i>Og's point I think is that Paul was chosen because he was a misogynist, and thus likely to keep women in a subservient role, and it's all based upon the Eden story.</i><br /><br />OMG -- No, I am NOT intentionally trolling my own blog. LOL<br /><br />There's about two more sentences missing from that last paragraph. But I won't insert it now. LOLPascalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00303025432356543062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8851395.post-89395639162462036272010-07-14T09:40:02.452-07:002010-07-14T09:40:02.452-07:00Even Pascal agrees that the precept of not even to...<i>Even Pascal agrees that the precept of not even touching the forbidden fruit is a tradition of men, but he attributes it to Eve rather than Adam. </i><br /><br />I didn't attribute it to Eve or Adam, but to them as a whole. <br /><br />The bar on touching was derivative, and it appeared at only the second reference to that test. It raises the question of "how DID the extra measure creep in." That certainly seems like a good exercise for humans to gain self-awareness. I think it's a warning against going overboard. The overly ascetic acolyte for instance makes him more easy prey to be led astray by his own excess.<br /><br />We already know that claiming "she gave it to me, and YOU gave her to me" is not exculpatory. All suggesting that Adam wasn't really tricked, but was pulling a stunt that God saw through. Maybe it didn't start out premeditated, but the thought crossed his mind after he told Eve, maybe in frustration like one does with a "why" child "Look, don't even touch it!"<br /><br />I've come up with two reasons Eve would have said "don't even touch it" was the bar. In neither instance did I place the blame entirely on her. She may have been misled, but I suspect she went along with being misled. As for Adam, he may or may not have accidentally misled her, but on second thoughts would not have corrected that error, waiting to see where the misinformation might lead. A testing or probing of his own for his own reasons. It's all so human. I see it, don't you?<br /><br />Og's point I think is that Paul was chosen because he was a misogynist, and thus likely to keep women in a subservient role, and it's all based upon the Eden storyPascalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00303025432356543062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8851395.post-69381910484947888012010-07-14T06:47:20.352-07:002010-07-14T06:47:20.352-07:00"But apparently when Adamu told her, he added...<i>"But apparently when Adamu told her, he added legalisms of his own"<br /><br />Now we're making shit up so we can cast aspersions on the creator's intent. </i><br /><br />Even Pascal agrees that the precept of not even touching the forbidden fruit is a tradition of men, but he attributes it to Eve rather than Adam. <br /><br />I agree with you that Eve received her religious instruction from Adam, but it makes sense to me that the additional tradition was added by Adam, not Eve, since she was in the role of a learner, not a teacher. <br /><br />As for me "fighting" you and Pascal I don't know where you get that, it's not derived purely from a plain reading of my text.Teresitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05528002521904908827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8851395.post-89586459810500667832010-07-13T20:22:16.002-07:002010-07-13T20:22:16.002-07:00"But apparently when Adamu told her, he added..."But apparently when Adamu told her, he added legalisms of his own"<br /><br />Now we're making shit up so we can cast aspersions on the creator's intent. <br /><br />Nice.<br /><br />I hope for you that someday you let go of your pain and anger and hatred long enough to just listen to the word of God, and not spend so much time reading ulterior motives into it. Spend a little less time obsessing about how God is wrong and how everything is fucked up. Maybe you'll hear a little voice, then, if you can turn all the others off. <br /><br />The Word of God is less a lesson to be learned than a Koan. The understanding comes, certainly, but it is the dwelling on it that heals and calms. Fight with Pascal, fight with me, if you have to- but open yourself to the Creator. leave everything else behind.oghttp://www.neanderpundit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8851395.post-39350173200659427082010-07-13T06:46:32.047-07:002010-07-13T06:46:32.047-07:00Adam told Eve, clearly, because God told Adam befo...<i>Adam told Eve, clearly, because God told Adam before Eve was created. Therefore the only way Eve can know is if Adam told her.</i><br /><br />But apparently when Adamu told her, he added legalisms of his own, like "Don't even touch it." No doubt if he was given more time, he would have proceeded to teach Hava to not even look at the fruit. Certainly the same process occurred with the traditions of handwashing and how far one can walk on the Shabbat, etc. So by the time the serpent came around, Hava probably had it in her head that the fruit was evil to look at, like a piece of rotten meat ridden with worms and filth. All the Serpent had to do is say, no, look at it, it's just a piece of fruit. And she took a peek. Hey, you're right, it doesn't look half bad. Maybe Adamu was lying. And if he lied about that, maybe it tastes good too. So the story is really about the tragic psychological consequences of legalistic human traditions and encrustations on the plain the simple Word of God.Teresitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05528002521904908827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8851395.post-48162491708433164652010-07-12T20:09:49.198-07:002010-07-12T20:09:49.198-07:00Excellent! You must be a calvinist, they're ex...Excellent! You must be a calvinist, they're experts at taking the OT out of context to make it mean what they want to mean. <br /><br />Now, as an exercise, my theology instructors used to make me go back and prove myself wrong when I came up with this kind of blather. I doubt you'll do that, because you're too invested in being right; however Adam told Eve, clearly, because God told Adam before Eve was created. Therefore the only way Eve can know is if Adam told her. The only way Adam would eat the fruit would be if Eve misrepresented the fruit as something else, as is clear from the passage. <br /><br />This is why God sent Paul to the church, a forced conversion on the road to Damascus because the Creator knew that the Church undirected would become a matriarchy, and the Creator knew the tendency of women to be easily deceived, perhaps even wanting to be deceived. And men, out of their love for and trust of the flesh of their flesh, bone of their bone, would be deceived by the women. Paul made certain the early church became a patriarchy so it would not be subject to the fickle faith of women, anxious to listen to the whispered lies of serpents. <br /><br />Make sure to be offended and disagree violently so you miss the point of this comment. Also be sure to pick it apart word by word so you can prove yourself right and me wrong. <br /><br />eve.oghttp://www.neanderpundit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8851395.post-86168067582626216182010-07-12T11:56:41.520-07:002010-07-12T11:56:41.520-07:00And then, once she ate of it, she couldn’t be alon...<i>And then, once she ate of it, she couldn’t be alone in her sin, she felt the need to have company in sin.</i><br /><br />She already had company in sin. She ate the fruit in the presence of Adam and he said nothing.<br /><br /><i>Gen 3:6 ...and gave also unto her husband <b>with her</b>; and he did eat.</i>Teresitahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05528002521904908827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8851395.post-84140331601782201812010-07-10T17:25:29.955-07:002010-07-10T17:25:29.955-07:00Yea but millions are also living in their little s...Yea but millions are also living in their little safe if not so secure bubbles.<br /><br />It is our responsibility to bust that bubble and give them the truth of the matter and to enlist them to get out and not only vote themselves but to make sure that other Americans who with to preserve and protect our Republic do also.<br /><br />Papa RayPapa Rayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11454201360366303944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8851395.post-33454184285992390082010-07-10T14:01:33.311-07:002010-07-10T14:01:33.311-07:00I listened to Prager off and on for 10 years or so...I listened to Prager off and on for 10 years or so, when I lived in Los Angeles. Prager is good for interesting philosophical perspectives, but you don’t go to him for answers about how to deal with evil. He lives in his own safe, secure little world.SJBnoreply@blogger.com